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		<title>By: Enrique &#124; SEO-Exchange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enrique &#124; SEO-Exchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Very impressive!&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Ron Chmara</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceforseo.com/seo-marketing/more-lsi-amusement/comment-page-1/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Chmara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that his use of phrases like &quot;LSI&quot; (and it&#039;s neologism relative, &quot;Social LSI&quot;) are being used in the same (often inappropriate) manner as SEO folks who talk about a &quot;site&#039;s PageRank&quot; or use any of the many vogue, if vague, hyphenates that involve &quot;-juice&quot; or &quot;-love&quot;. 

Rather than attempting to go into more complex details, entire concepts involving a great deal of learning and study are simply accompanied by some hand waving, a few magic words, and hopes (promises?) that this will produce a rabbit out of a hat.

I would consider it a matter of marketing (explaining?) complex knowledge to people who don&#039;t even understand the fundamental terms being used (and sometimes, those doing the marketing/explaining may have gaps in their knowledge as well).

In his defense, he does build in some caveats, explaining that giving an accurate presentation would take a great deal more time and effort. That being said, some of the errors are nails-on-a-chalkboard, throw-something-through-my-monitor (to use the technical terms) bad... He doesn&#039;t seem to know what stemming is, for one jaw dropper, and blatantly confuses stemming and lexemes (as if they were interchangeable concepts), before declaring that his lack of understanding cancels out a third, unrelated, concept.&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that his use of phrases like &#8220;LSI&#8221; (and it&#8217;s neologism relative, &#8220;Social LSI&#8221;) are being used in the same (often inappropriate) manner as SEO folks who talk about a &#8220;site&#8217;s PageRank&#8221; or use any of the many vogue, if vague, hyphenates that involve &#8220;-juice&#8221; or &#8220;-love&#8221;. </p>
<p>Rather than attempting to go into more complex details, entire concepts involving a great deal of learning and study are simply accompanied by some hand waving, a few magic words, and hopes (promises?) that this will produce a rabbit out of a hat.</p>
<p>I would consider it a matter of marketing (explaining?) complex knowledge to people who don&#8217;t even understand the fundamental terms being used (and sometimes, those doing the marketing/explaining may have gaps in their knowledge as well).</p>
<p>In his defense, he does build in some caveats, explaining that giving an accurate presentation would take a great deal more time and effort. That being said, some of the errors are nails-on-a-chalkboard, throw-something-through-my-monitor (to use the technical terms) bad&#8230; He doesn&#8217;t seem to know what stemming is, for one jaw dropper, and blatantly confuses stemming and lexemes (as if they were interchangeable concepts), before declaring that his lack of understanding cancels out a third, unrelated, concept.<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah right! I was hoping for data! You are absolutely right.&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah right! I was hoping for data! You are absolutely right.<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Patterson</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceforseo.com/seo-marketing/more-lsi-amusement/comment-page-1/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not saying that their method gets results, even though it seems to be just good practices that everyone recommends in a general sense with no real road map or clear pathway to execution.  I was commenting on the fact that it has worked for them to get conversions in the form of publicity and email addresses to market to.&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not saying that their method gets results, even though it seems to be just good practices that everyone recommends in a general sense with no real road map or clear pathway to execution.  I was commenting on the fact that it has worked for them to get conversions in the form of publicity and email addresses to market to.<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Scott - I haven&#039;t actually seen any proof that their idea works or even how anyone has implemented it. I&#039;d be happy to hear about how it&#039;s worked and what the results have been.&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Scott &#8211; I haven&#8217;t actually seen any proof that their idea works or even how anyone has implemented it. I&#8217;d be happy to hear about how it&#8217;s worked and what the results have been.<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Patterson</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceforseo.com/seo-marketing/more-lsi-amusement/comment-page-1/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you can&#039;t get your serious info from a site that has &quot;stomper&quot; in it&#039;s name.  However they are clearly using their brand of &quot;social LSI&quot; to get the links and attention they think their reputation deserves.  Sometimes the real lesson is in between the LSI and the BSI.  Of course in the end it&#039;s not rankings that matter, but conversions, and this one worked again, that is the real lesson.&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you can&#8217;t get your serious info from a site that has &#8220;stomper&#8221; in it&#8217;s name.  However they are clearly using their brand of &#8220;social LSI&#8221; to get the links and attention they think their reputation deserves.  Sometimes the real lesson is in between the LSI and the BSI.  Of course in the end it&#8217;s not rankings that matter, but conversions, and this one worked again, that is the real lesson.<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Rines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Rines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the content of the videos I have to say Leslie Rohde really doesn&#039;t have any idea what he is talking about. Sorry Mr. Rohde but there it is...

Whatever form of Semantic Analysis (SA) Google is using &amp; you are can be sure they are using some type of SA algorithms it&#039;s way beyond LSI as described by Mr. Rohde. I actually find it humorous (at best) that Mr. Rohde fixates on LSI which is the begining of the SA story. Since LSI was developed many other forms of SA have become prominent. One must remember like ANY other underlying algorithm whatever from of SA they are using simply a tool in a very large box. 

I&#039;d love to hear him explain in detail how LSI &quot;claims&quot; to handle synonyms and word forms with math and then explain how it does not. ;)

I think one of his issues is he is focusing on 1 algorithm and not taking into account all the other pieces that surround it to maximize its effectiveness. Nothing in Information Retrieval &amp; Information Extraction lives in a bubble, there is no &quot;magic&quot; bullet that one plugs in and bang you are replicating Google.

Finally I do not have a crystal ball into Google&#039;s complete stack &amp; unless I&#039;m really mistaken neither does Mr. Rohde, so talking as an authority on the how &amp; what algorithmically they are doing is silly. This is highlighted by his use of the &quot;Social LSI&quot; concept, while it sounds neat it&#039;s something I have never heard of or can find any reference to. As a practitioner of Statistical NLP which LSI and like technologies are a part of I am horrified by these 2 videos.&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the content of the videos I have to say Leslie Rohde really doesn&#8217;t have any idea what he is talking about. Sorry Mr. Rohde but there it is&#8230;</p>
<p>Whatever form of Semantic Analysis (SA) Google is using &amp; you are can be sure they are using some type of SA algorithms it&#8217;s way beyond LSI as described by Mr. Rohde. I actually find it humorous (at best) that Mr. Rohde fixates on LSI which is the begining of the SA story. Since LSI was developed many other forms of SA have become prominent. One must remember like ANY other underlying algorithm whatever from of SA they are using simply a tool in a very large box. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear him explain in detail how LSI &#8220;claims&#8221; to handle synonyms and word forms with math and then explain how it does not. <img src='http://www.scienceforseo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think one of his issues is he is focusing on 1 algorithm and not taking into account all the other pieces that surround it to maximize its effectiveness. Nothing in Information Retrieval &amp; Information Extraction lives in a bubble, there is no &#8220;magic&#8221; bullet that one plugs in and bang you are replicating Google.</p>
<p>Finally I do not have a crystal ball into Google&#8217;s complete stack &amp; unless I&#8217;m really mistaken neither does Mr. Rohde, so talking as an authority on the how &amp; what algorithmically they are doing is silly. This is highlighted by his use of the &#8220;Social LSI&#8221; concept, while it sounds neat it&#8217;s something I have never heard of or can find any reference to. As a practitioner of Statistical NLP which LSI and like technologies are a part of I am horrified by these 2 videos.<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Rex - I agree that not posting people&#039;s comments isn&#039;t very useful for anyone and doesn&#039;t do much for the credibility of the piece. Mehmet, yes me neither. &quot;Social LSI&quot; is not something anyone I know has come across, I&#039;d be glad to hear more if you find anything. (The information is not put together by an ex-googler.)&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Rex &#8211; I agree that not posting people&#8217;s comments isn&#8217;t very useful for anyone and doesn&#8217;t do much for the credibility of the piece. Mehmet, yes me neither. &#8220;Social LSI&#8221; is not something anyone I know has come across, I&#8217;d be glad to hear more if you find anything. (The information is not put together by an ex-googler.)<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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		<title>By: Mehmet Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mehmet Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi CJ,

Watched those videos about LSI and Google. In the first video the SEO guy explains how LSI works and tries prove that Google is not using simple LSI as he described.  In the second video he introduces a new term “Social LSI” that I haven’t heard it before. I’m sure Google is not using classical LSI approach. Probably, they have conceptual and meaningful approaches instead of words or links otherwise; it’d be easy to implement a search engine. 

Let’s see what will happen… If he is right or an ex google employee, there would be a discussion about it.&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi CJ,</p>
<p>Watched those videos about LSI and Google. In the first video the SEO guy explains how LSI works and tries prove that Google is not using simple LSI as he described.  In the second video he introduces a new term “Social LSI” that I haven’t heard it before. I’m sure Google is not using classical LSI approach. Probably, they have conceptual and meaningful approaches instead of words or links otherwise; it’d be easy to implement a search engine. </p>
<p>Let’s see what will happen… If he is right or an ex google employee, there would be a discussion about it.<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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		<title>By: Rex Freiberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Freiberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREAT POST. I&#039;ve never even been on here before. I agree that Stompernet&#039;s latest video&#039;s are using the strawman technique to stir controversy, their intent is certainly not to enlighten, clarify the debate, as they delete people&#039;s comments. The internet is about dialogue not monologue, you&#039;d think Stompernet would practice what they preach&lt;!-- Touched by JuLiA --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT POST. I&#8217;ve never even been on here before. I agree that Stompernet&#8217;s latest video&#8217;s are using the strawman technique to stir controversy, their intent is certainly not to enlighten, clarify the debate, as they delete people&#8217;s comments. The internet is about dialogue not monologue, you&#8217;d think Stompernet would practice what they preach<!-- Touched by JuLiA --></p>
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